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So far we have 11 “AGREE” votes from 6 of 9 chapters. One more vote should do it, according to my records.
I'm a sponsor of the bill, and I also AGREE. 😀 Many thanks to Andrea for being so willing to contribute her time and skills!
Thanks everyone for your responses. I didn't realize this poll would not show WHO voted WHAT, so please reply with your vote instead of using the poll. (I've removed the poll.)Sorry, I was trying something new! So far, I note Agreement from Susan Hall, Thom Langley, myself and one other that the Poll didn't indicate. 🙁
I've begun a new thread for the new proposal. http://gpco.fullydefiant.com/forum/index.php?topic=216.0
Thom, thank you for your feedback. I tried to pull together all of our comments to get at something we could pass, and that would communicate our thoughts in a more mature manner. I get passionate sometimes; another great reason to form strong interpersonal bonds when growing an organization. Everyone here is important to the discussion, thank you for participating!
Now this one, while less pointed, seems to be a call for actual progress. Thanks Bill for responding to the input during agreement seeking.
This resonates for me more than the religious angle. It would explain the US reluctance to condemn that action as it contributes to the effort to relieve Western Europe of it's dependence on Russian natural gas, as does the US shale fracking effort. This issue is causing all of the grief and anxiety, death and destruction, in the Eastern Ukraine. We live in the age of the decline of fossil fuel that can be economically recovered, (based on the energy budget - not money). This dwindling resource, (cheap & abundant energy), which is the cornerstone of current quality and quantity of human life for all industrialized nations, will, in my humble opinion, be the root cause for much extreme global mayhem for many coming decades. Read On:http://nsnbc.me/2014/07/10/war-natural-gas-israeli-invasion-gazas-offshore-gas-fields/
I've come up with the following new text for our statement. What do you think? The Green Party of Colorado calls for a lasting peace between Israel and Palestine. We call upon the leadership on both side of the conflict to come together and forge a truce that well end all hostilities. We also demand the leaders of the world withhold all aid but humanitarian aid from both countries until they have come to a mutual and lasting peace agreement. Many of the the party's Ten Key Values can provide useful guidance: nonviolence, respect for diversity, decentralization, personal and global responsibility, economic justice, and future focus and sustainability.
Thanks for that update, Susan! I didn't know there was a march yesterday. Is this a regular event? How did you find out about it?
This has been a wonderful discussion! I appreciate the input from all sides, and Thom thank you for adding your insghts; I don't think I've seen you post. And Susan, your statement helped me see past historical religious factors, and focus my mind on other just as relevant forces.I can resubmit a proposal this evening that aligns more closely with national. Although I do feel that religion is the major factor in these conflicts, I accede that the sentiment doesn't echo strongly enough in our ranks for that to be our official statement. I think that's why we call it "agreement seeking". 🙂 After my meeting I'll draft something new and we'll go forward from there. Thanks again, everyone.
Andrea, I may have just thought of a compromise..? What if I amended the statement to include some acknowledgements of religious leaders / organizations that are denouncing this current violence? I could point out Pope Francis, and perhaps a prominent Jewish leader as well? If that would settle your feelings on the matter, I would be open to creating an amended statement with this in it. Does anyone know of another religious leader that is condemning the violence?
Greg, I appreciate your comments.. although I'm unfamiliar with those writings or their relevance. I'm not sure that I'm right, but I'm sure enough to want to instigate the conversation that no one wants to have. Would you be willing to expand upon your comments?
Ah, well then, Andrea, I respectfully reassert my passion to rally both religious people and secularists to denounce all violence based in religion. "It's a little strange, in my opinion, to (a) tell religious people what to do if one is not themselves religious" If someone's religion is telling them to kill people, does that sanction the violence? " and (b) release a statement to chastise religious "silence" when in fact, there is much being said and done. "I'm not sure that I used the word "silence" in the statement. And yes, there is much being said and done, but no one wants to address the religious roots of this and MOST of the violence in Middle Eastern countries. Even American Imperialism and Expansionism can be linked to religious zealotry (not as directly as the Israeli/Palestinian struggles for sure). I am willing to accept modifications, if you have a suggestion. However, I would not want to detract from the overall statement - that religious violence lies at the root of this conflict. So.. either you are a "Stand Aside" on this or a "Block" -- if you choose to Block we'll send it to a vote.
Thanks everyone for the quick replies. I'll update the proposal with the appropriate cosponsors this evening.Andrea, I appreciate that you are willing to stand aside on this. However, I would defend this proposed statement through our principle of nonviolence. I do not believe respecting religious diversity means accepting violence against other people as part of that "diversity". Economics is a factor here because of old religious views i.e., the lack of integration between Middle Eastern cultures is based in religious "diversity" (I suppose one could call it). Yes, there are economic problems, but there would be no Israel if not for religious belief. For that matter, no one would be fighting over a "Holy Land" if not for this same belief. 🙁 I'm not necessarily trying to sway your opinion on this, Andrea, but I did want to make sure anyone else reading sees where I'm coming from on this issue of religious violence in particular.
Anyone who wants to cosponsor, please reply and I'll add you on the final proposal if it passes. I'd love to see a long list of cosponsors.
Good question! There is nothing that would prevent the Denver Greens from making such an endorsement. We could post that press release to the GPCO website and FB to make it known. Not sure if we would run with that at the state level, unless we also considered endorsing other candidates..? Does that answer your question?
